Terminology/Technology and Writing - Classroom 2.02024-03-29T00:27:50Zhttps://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/649749:Topic:3573?commentId=649749%3AComment%3A3638&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Elizabeth
Hmm
Those names…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-10:649749:Comment:40052007-04-10T09:34:18.271ZKevin H.https://www.classroom20.com/profile/dogtrax
Hi Elizabeth<br />
Hmm<br />
Those names sound like trademarked items on the shelf, don't you think?<br />
I do like the collaborative edge to the idea.<br />
Thanks for sharing -- those are terms that I had not heard before.<br />
Kevin
Hi Elizabeth<br />
Hmm<br />
Those names sound like trademarked items on the shelf, don't you think?<br />
I do like the collaborative edge to the idea.<br />
Thanks for sharing -- those are terms that I had not heard before.<br />
Kevin I was scrolling down the list…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-09:649749:Comment:37562007-04-09T16:30:54.878ZBillhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/billfitzgerald
I was scrolling down the list of comments to see if anyone had made that point yet --<br />
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When we're online encountering ideas, we're thinking -- not ethinking, or dthinking, or *thinking, but thinking.<br />
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The same is true of writing -- writing online provides more opportunities for a discussion of audience, or rhetorical context.<br />
<br />
Maybe Aristotle was the world's first blogger :)<br />
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All kidding aside, I don't think we need a new term. Possibly, the semantic argument detracts from the more essential…
I was scrolling down the list of comments to see if anyone had made that point yet --<br />
<br />
When we're online encountering ideas, we're thinking -- not ethinking, or dthinking, or *thinking, but thinking.<br />
<br />
The same is true of writing -- writing online provides more opportunities for a discussion of audience, or rhetorical context.<br />
<br />
Maybe Aristotle was the world's first blogger :)<br />
<br />
All kidding aside, I don't think we need a new term. Possibly, the semantic argument detracts from the more essential conversation: specific methods to use these tools to foster critical awareness and critical thought.<br />
<br />
Cheers,<br />
<br />
Bill Paul
Good point on finding ou…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-09:649749:Comment:36832007-04-09T09:38:22.281ZKevin H.https://www.classroom20.com/profile/dogtrax
Paul<br />
Good point on finding ourselves becoming "too cool for school" with terminology and leaving others behind.<br />
We want our book project to be for all teachers, not just tech teachers, and so it is crucial that we keep our audience in mind.<br />
Thanks for your thoughts.<br />
Kevin
Paul<br />
Good point on finding ourselves becoming "too cool for school" with terminology and leaving others behind.<br />
We want our book project to be for all teachers, not just tech teachers, and so it is crucial that we keep our audience in mind.<br />
Thanks for your thoughts.<br />
Kevin Hi Carolyn
This is one aspect…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-09:649749:Comment:36822007-04-09T09:36:57.628ZKevin H.https://www.classroom20.com/profile/dogtrax
Hi Carolyn<br />
This is one aspect of it, that's for sure.<br />
But not the whole story.<br />
Some writers use technology to change their writing just for themselves, by themselves.<br />
Thanks for the input.<br />
Kevin
Hi Carolyn<br />
This is one aspect of it, that's for sure.<br />
But not the whole story.<br />
Some writers use technology to change their writing just for themselves, by themselves.<br />
Thanks for the input.<br />
Kevin Vicki
You narrow it down a bi…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-09:649749:Comment:36812007-04-09T09:36:04.659ZKevin H.https://www.classroom20.com/profile/dogtrax
Vicki<br />
You narrow it down a bit in interesting ways.<br />
But it feels as if that is now too specific (am I picky or what?).<br />
My mind is trying to wrap around a more global term.<br />
But it may be that there are too many variables for such an exercise.<br />
<br />
One thing we see in many of the chapter proposals is the idea of how audience plays a role in tech-infused composition. The world is coming closer.<br />
<br />
Thanks<br />
Kevin
Vicki<br />
You narrow it down a bit in interesting ways.<br />
But it feels as if that is now too specific (am I picky or what?).<br />
My mind is trying to wrap around a more global term.<br />
But it may be that there are too many variables for such an exercise.<br />
<br />
One thing we see in many of the chapter proposals is the idea of how audience plays a role in tech-infused composition. The world is coming closer.<br />
<br />
Thanks<br />
Kevin Good point and I don't have a…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-09:649749:Comment:36792007-04-09T09:33:29.374ZKevin H.https://www.classroom20.com/profile/dogtrax
Good point and I don't have an answer as to why we need a new term.<br />
Maybe we don't.<br />
Kevin
Good point and I don't have an answer as to why we need a new term.<br />
Maybe we don't.<br />
Kevin Kevin - I rather agree with t…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-09:649749:Comment:36742007-04-09T09:11:20.626ZPaul Harringtonhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/pj23harry
Kevin - I rather agree with the previous post in that it is still 'writing', the process of taking their ideas and using a medium to record them. It's surely only the medium which is different be it mobile phone text IM or blogs, the ideas are surely the same. I must admit that I am as guilty as the next person when it comes to giving new technologies a new name - I took up web 2.0 as a title readily - however my colleagues in school have little idea what I am talking about when I use the term.…
Kevin - I rather agree with the previous post in that it is still 'writing', the process of taking their ideas and using a medium to record them. It's surely only the medium which is different be it mobile phone text IM or blogs, the ideas are surely the same. I must admit that I am as guilty as the next person when it comes to giving new technologies a new name - I took up web 2.0 as a title readily - however my colleagues in school have little idea what I am talking about when I use the term. If we are not careful we can make a simple process seem 'new' and this may put off those who do not realise that it is just a case of 'The Emperor's New Clothes'.<br />
p.s. I am not an old reactionary by the way, I just think we have to be more careful of the pace which we introduce new terms. I'm not sure I understand why…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-09:649749:Comment:36382007-04-09T04:13:10.372Znlowellhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/nlowell
I'm not sure I understand why it's not "writing" ... If you use a pencil is it p-Writing? Or would that be a pen? If you use a typewriter, is that a different word? What's the driver behind this?
I'm not sure I understand why it's not "writing" ... If you use a pencil is it p-Writing? Or would that be a pen? If you use a typewriter, is that a different word? What's the driver behind this? Collaborative writing?tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-09:649749:Comment:36122007-04-09T01:39:27.982ZCarolyn Footehttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/Technolibrary
Collaborative writing?
Collaborative writing? I think that the writing can…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-04-09:649749:Comment:35772007-04-09T00:08:45.588ZVicki Davishttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/coolcatteacher
I think that the writing can be classified in several ways:<br />
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1) Technopersonal writing -- Instead of interpersonal -- it is writing that communicates between people and it is a skill that should be taught like we teach our kids to shake hands and look people in the eye. Whether IM or discussion areas on a wiki, understanding how to communicate between each other is important, from emoticons to not using all caps (shouting) there is a definite etiquette for this sort of writing.<br />
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2) Professional…
I think that the writing can be classified in several ways:<br />
<br />
1) Technopersonal writing -- Instead of interpersonal -- it is writing that communicates between people and it is a skill that should be taught like we teach our kids to shake hands and look people in the eye. Whether IM or discussion areas on a wiki, understanding how to communicate between each other is important, from emoticons to not using all caps (shouting) there is a definite etiquette for this sort of writing.<br />
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2) Professional writing for a global audience -- This is truly where my class spends most of its time. The wikis and blogs that are created (wikis for fact, blogs for opinion) both have a global audience. I've seen that students after taking some time evolve into a higher standard of performance IF THEY KNOW OTHERS ARE READING as evidenced by commenting. When they realize that someone else is out there, they usually sit up a little straighter and really take more time to do a good job. <br />
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That is the way that I work with it in my classroom and I grade accordingly depending on the type of communication it is. (I allow some IM speak in discussion/ techno-personal communications) none in what I call "professional writing." (I want them to be "professional students" after all!