"Second life bigger than Internet within 10 years" - Classroom 2.02024-03-29T01:34:10Zhttps://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/649749:Topic:39013?commentId=649749%3AComment%3A39214&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOK, John we shall agree to di…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-07:649749:Comment:400782007-08-07T17:57:31.707ZNancy Boschhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/nbosch
OK, John we shall agree to disagree. I retire in a few years so my virtual self will not be meeting virtual kids in a virtual classroom. I'll continue to work with my kids the old fashioned way, and enjoy an occasional hug. Have a great day--five days til school starts! N.
OK, John we shall agree to disagree. I retire in a few years so my virtual self will not be meeting virtual kids in a virtual classroom. I'll continue to work with my kids the old fashioned way, and enjoy an occasional hug. Have a great day--five days til school starts! N. That depends upon what you me…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-07:649749:Comment:400602007-08-07T15:55:59.434ZJohn Joneshttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/jpj171
That depends upon what you mean by efficient. More homes are likely to have DVD/VHS players to play the video, but if you deliver the lesson that way there's little or no direct interaction between the teacher and student. Without that interaction, how can you responsibly give credit for a class? That interaction is much easier using web-based solutions. Check out Kevin Honeycutt's <a href="http://essdackartsnacks.ning.com/">Artsnacks</a> for a specific example of the potential for that sort of…
That depends upon what you mean by efficient. More homes are likely to have DVD/VHS players to play the video, but if you deliver the lesson that way there's little or no direct interaction between the teacher and student. Without that interaction, how can you responsibly give credit for a class? That interaction is much easier using web-based solutions. Check out Kevin Honeycutt's <a href="http://essdackartsnacks.ning.com/">Artsnacks</a> for a specific example of the potential for that sort of interaction. It's not everything it could be, and it's just starting up, but it's a step or two down the path.<br />
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Also, a web-based delivery model requires no physical media for delivery. DVDs and Tapes are cheap, but they're not free, and the cost of mailing them around is also an impediment to shipping around discs or tapes. And there's the time problem -- delivering virtually can happen in a few minutes (depending upon download speed) while delivering physically takes days (or more, depending upon the efficiency of the fulfillment staff shipping the tapes -- it would be hard to assume that they would be as efficient as Netflix).<br />
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As for what art professional has the time to develop dozens of art activities -- probably not one who already has other duties delivering art activities live in the classroom -- at least not at the same time. It would make sense that it would take as long to develop a new activity for online delivery as it would to develop it for a traditional classroom or for video delivery -- with the additional complication of the challenges of the medium for content developers who are new to that medium. The right art professional would have to be someone with a great deal of facility with online communication and computers.<br />
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The added bonus of online virtual delivery is that it lends itself to community development -- there's no reason why a single person needs to develop every activity that is used -- a library of activities can be quickly compiled if a network of art professionals contribute. That's much more possible in an online environment than it is in the traditional classroom or in video delivery.<br />
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It's far from perfect yet, but that's part of why it's fun to be working there -- lots of room to make a difference. John--I'm in Kansas, too! I g…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-06:649749:Comment:398152007-08-06T21:59:02.124ZNancy Boschhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/nbosch
John--I'm in Kansas, too! I get your point but wouldn't it be much more efficient to show students an art lesson on video? Again, I ask--what art professional is going to have the time to to develop dozens of art activities in a virtual environment. I feel like John Stossel--"give me a break". haha. N.
John--I'm in Kansas, too! I get your point but wouldn't it be much more efficient to show students an art lesson on video? Again, I ask--what art professional is going to have the time to to develop dozens of art activities in a virtual environment. I feel like John Stossel--"give me a break". haha. N. Some will, some won't. I live…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-06:649749:Comment:397962007-08-06T19:35:45.531ZJohn Joneshttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/jpj171
Some will, some won't. I live in Wichita, Kansas, and work for an educational service center in Hutchinson, KS. Many of our member districts are very small, rural districts that can't afford the variety of instruction that larger districts can -- like Art education, for example. Art education that can be delivered virtually may be the only way students in those districts have access to that subject area.<br />
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But the size of the district doesn't preclude the presence of computer access in the…
Some will, some won't. I live in Wichita, Kansas, and work for an educational service center in Hutchinson, KS. Many of our member districts are very small, rural districts that can't afford the variety of instruction that larger districts can -- like Art education, for example. Art education that can be delivered virtually may be the only way students in those districts have access to that subject area.<br />
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But the size of the district doesn't preclude the presence of computer access in the student's home, or computers available to the student in the school.<br />
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Virtual delivery doesn't need to reach a full classroom of students in each district -- it can pick up one or two students, here and there, and because it's distributed across many districts thanks to the virtual delivery system, it can be economically viable. Is it as good as having a teacher in the room at the same time? Probably not. Is it better than nothing? Probably.<br />
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-j If students are not being ser…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-06:649749:Comment:397912007-08-06T18:58:11.347ZNancy Boschhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/nbosch
If students are not being served are they going to have computers?
If students are not being served are they going to have computers? Clearly, the virtual teachers…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-06:649749:Comment:397902007-08-06T18:52:51.554ZJohn Joneshttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/jpj171
Clearly, the virtual teachers will be setting up the virtual experiences while the real teachers are watching American Idol. ;)<br />
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The attraction, I think, comes in trying to use the technology to serve people who are not being served right now, not in trying to serve those who are already being served. So, to take your argument -- who needs virtual teachers when they have real ones? Perhaps no one, but there are people who don't have real teachers available to them, and being able to deliver a…
Clearly, the virtual teachers will be setting up the virtual experiences while the real teachers are watching American Idol. ;)<br />
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The attraction, I think, comes in trying to use the technology to serve people who are not being served right now, not in trying to serve those who are already being served. So, to take your argument -- who needs virtual teachers when they have real ones? Perhaps no one, but there are people who don't have real teachers available to them, and being able to deliver a virtual teacher may be worth the effort -- better than nothing.<br />
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I still think the 2D experience will continue to be easier to use, and be more prevalent, than 3D models like SL, but I do think that there are enough people out there who are not being served as well as they could be by the real life models that are out there to give virtual models some room to try. As I posted in another discus…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-06:649749:Comment:397272007-08-06T16:40:39.040ZNancy Boschhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/nbosch
As I posted in another discussion on SL, who need avatar kids who don't sit still when we've got real ones? who needs avatar kids who don't pay attention when we've got real ones? and who needs avatar teachers who don't pay attention in virtual staff development when we have real teachers who don't pay attention in real staff development?<br />
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And when are teachers going to have time to set up these virtual experiences?
As I posted in another discussion on SL, who need avatar kids who don't sit still when we've got real ones? who needs avatar kids who don't pay attention when we've got real ones? and who needs avatar teachers who don't pay attention in virtual staff development when we have real teachers who don't pay attention in real staff development?<br />
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And when are teachers going to have time to set up these virtual experiences? You went a little farther tha…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-05:649749:Comment:394112007-08-05T01:21:36.390ZChristopher Potterhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/mrpotter
You went a little farther than me. I haven't even bothered to check it out. If we who are "cutting edge" aren't that interested in it, how are we going to convince others?
You went a little farther than me. I haven't even bothered to check it out. If we who are "cutting edge" aren't that interested in it, how are we going to convince others? What an interesting article!…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-03:649749:Comment:392582007-08-03T21:47:15.916ZMeg Ormistonhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/megormi
What an interesting article! I do find SL fasinating, the whole experience has shifted my perspective to think about the future of teaching and learning. In world my name is Meg Writer I "live" on Eduisland II, this is my location <a href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/megwriter/80/27/22/">http://slurl.com/secondlife/megwriter/80/27/22/</a>
What an interesting article! I do find SL fasinating, the whole experience has shifted my perspective to think about the future of teaching and learning. In world my name is Meg Writer I "live" on Eduisland II, this is my location <a href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/megwriter/80/27/22/">http://slurl.com/secondlife/megwriter/80/27/22/</a> I agree with you, Andrew. I h…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-03:649749:Comment:392422007-08-03T20:25:13.779ZNadine Norrishttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/rinkydink
I agree with you, Andrew. I hope SL doesn't take over the universe. I found it to be a huge waste of time and energy. It's all about the communication, not the acquiring of new outfits and property. As John pointed out, SL takes a long term to learn and is not intuitive enough for those who don't have a ton of time to devote to exploring it or making friends with those who can show us around.<br />
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Not to discount the value for those who have found SL to be an enriching experience...I just don't…
I agree with you, Andrew. I hope SL doesn't take over the universe. I found it to be a huge waste of time and energy. It's all about the communication, not the acquiring of new outfits and property. As John pointed out, SL takes a long term to learn and is not intuitive enough for those who don't have a ton of time to devote to exploring it or making friends with those who can show us around.<br />
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Not to discount the value for those who have found SL to be an enriching experience...I just don't think it'll be as main stream as other elements of the web, like social networking.