Seven Deadly Sins - Classroom 2.02024-03-28T22:20:23Zhttps://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/649749:Topic:39693?commentId=649749%3AComment%3A54088&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt is absolutely about teachi…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-10-01:649749:Comment:541742007-10-01T12:01:07.771ZEdith Kennedyhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/DREK2B
It is absolutely about teaching. One thing that we cannot overlook is making sure the students know why we are using the technology. I require that all my students submit their papers electronicically. In reading through their muddiest points this morning, I found one student who didn't understand why I added this additional burden to the class assignments. It took only a few minutes to explain my reasoning and then the student was happy to learn the new technology and comply. We need to have a…
It is absolutely about teaching. One thing that we cannot overlook is making sure the students know why we are using the technology. I require that all my students submit their papers electronicically. In reading through their muddiest points this morning, I found one student who didn't understand why I added this additional burden to the class assignments. It took only a few minutes to explain my reasoning and then the student was happy to learn the new technology and comply. We need to have a rationale, but the students also need to understand why. Call me clueless but I hadn't…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-10-01:649749:Comment:541002007-10-01T07:08:23.316ZBarry Bakinhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/BarryBakin
Call me clueless but I hadn't heard yet that there was something wrong with teaching kids how to use Microsoft Office software. Perhaps I need some clarification. Is the problem using productivity software like Word in general or just Microsoft's version? Is the claim being made that using Microsoft Office software is bad because nobody in business uses it anymore? nobody in government? nobody at home? nobody in education? Is the problem in the word "kids?" We shouldn't teach kids but it's ok…
Call me clueless but I hadn't heard yet that there was something wrong with teaching kids how to use Microsoft Office software. Perhaps I need some clarification. Is the problem using productivity software like Word in general or just Microsoft's version? Is the claim being made that using Microsoft Office software is bad because nobody in business uses it anymore? nobody in government? nobody at home? nobody in education? Is the problem in the word "kids?" We shouldn't teach kids but it's ok to teach adults? Has everyone moved to google docs or other online collaboration software? I don't mean to drag the conversation off of the idea of the seven sins but I'd like to know more about this statement. I agree,
However: is there sp…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-10-01:649749:Comment:540882007-10-01T04:47:59.104ZIan Carmichaelhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/icarmichael
I agree,<br />
However: is there space for teachers who won't join this bandwagon. Perhaps you can move on in the hope that the non-adopters will be effective with their own toolset, or that they'll become jealous of other's progress, and make the move because of that, or that they'll simply die out (and hopefully not in admin or the curriculum and research branches!)
I agree,<br />
However: is there space for teachers who won't join this bandwagon. Perhaps you can move on in the hope that the non-adopters will be effective with their own toolset, or that they'll become jealous of other's progress, and make the move because of that, or that they'll simply die out (and hopefully not in admin or the curriculum and research branches!) I just found out that is seem…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-19:649749:Comment:431782007-08-19T23:07:00.700ZTorsten Ottohttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/TorstenOtto
I just found out that is seems to be a standing term in English:<br />
<a href="http://www.education.umn.edu/kls/ecee/pdfs/Tom_Smith_Educational_ergonomics.pdf">http://www.education.umn.edu/kls/ecee/pdfs/Tom_Smith_Educational_ergonomics.pdf</a><br />
looks like a worthwhile read.
I just found out that is seems to be a standing term in English:<br />
<a href="http://www.education.umn.edu/kls/ecee/pdfs/Tom_Smith_Educational_ergonomics.pdf">http://www.education.umn.edu/kls/ecee/pdfs/Tom_Smith_Educational_ergonomics.pdf</a><br />
looks like a worthwhile read. I agree, professional develop…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-19:649749:Comment:431752007-08-19T22:56:53.277ZTorsten Ottohttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/TorstenOtto
I agree, professional development is a major factor, and this is what was meant with the very brief<br />
Neglecting Staff Development (expecting to use without training)
I agree, professional development is a major factor, and this is what was meant with the very brief<br />
Neglecting Staff Development (expecting to use without training) Good point and I agree. Our d…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-19:649749:Comment:431692007-08-19T22:34:22.305ZNancy Boschhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/nbosch
Good point and I agree. Our district of 30,000 has 4 tech trainers who do something mysterious through the day and then do "classes" from 4:30-7:30 after school and in the summers, which is the absolute worse time for a lot of teachers including me. Most teachers in our district haven't embraced Web 1.0 much less Web 2.0. I don't need support but most teachers do.<br />
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Our superintendent feels strongly that if you have computer "teachers", the classroom teachers will never integrate the technology,…
Good point and I agree. Our district of 30,000 has 4 tech trainers who do something mysterious through the day and then do "classes" from 4:30-7:30 after school and in the summers, which is the absolute worse time for a lot of teachers including me. Most teachers in our district haven't embraced Web 1.0 much less Web 2.0. I don't need support but most teachers do.<br />
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Our superintendent feels strongly that if you have computer "teachers", the classroom teachers will never integrate the technology, so we don't have tech people in the elementary schools. Whether I agree or not, it doesn't matter. That's the way it is. So what's the list like right…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-19:649749:Comment:431472007-08-19T19:11:31.553ZTorsten Ottohttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/TorstenOtto
So what's the list like right now?<br />
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Here's my compilation:<br />
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<b>Disregarding Educational Ergonomics</b> (not asking why)<br />
<b>Neglecting Staff Development</b> (expecting to use without training)<br />
<b>Stopping to Learn</b> (which might include:)<br />
<b>Ignoring Staff Development</b> ("this will pass", "not for me", "why bother")<br />
<b>Being careless</b> (who gets hired for ed tech, what gets bought)<br />
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Still three short and - not such a surprise - they work for many fields, not just ed tech. What's yours…
So what's the list like right now?<br />
<br />
Here's my compilation:<br />
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<b>Disregarding Educational Ergonomics</b> (not asking why)<br />
<b>Neglecting Staff Development</b> (expecting to use without training)<br />
<b>Stopping to Learn</b> (which might include:)<br />
<b>Ignoring Staff Development</b> ("this will pass", "not for me", "why bother")<br />
<b>Being careless</b> (who gets hired for ed tech, what gets bought)<br />
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Still three short and - not such a surprise - they work for many fields, not just ed tech. What's yours like, Tim? Educational Ergonomics
I who…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-19:649749:Comment:431422007-08-19T18:58:54.955ZTorsten Ottohttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/TorstenOtto
Educational Ergonomics<br />
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I wholeheartedly agree that the WHY is vital! I call it "educational ergonomics" in an article in a German teacher magazine. We need to focus on what we are trying to achieve in the classroom and then and only then look at what technology is best for that. I may be a big sheet of paper, a small pile of matches or a CommSy room with an attached wiki.<br />
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Just like you select a different table for eating at, working with a computer or filing a piece of wood to shape, you…
Educational Ergonomics<br />
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I wholeheartedly agree that the WHY is vital! I call it "educational ergonomics" in an article in a German teacher magazine. We need to focus on what we are trying to achieve in the classroom and then and only then look at what technology is best for that. I may be a big sheet of paper, a small pile of matches or a CommSy room with an attached wiki.<br />
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Just like you select a different table for eating at, working with a computer or filing a piece of wood to shape, you select the learning tool for your purpose.<br />
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So maybe the "sin" could be phrased as "disregarding educational ergonomics"? Sylvia, you've said it: "It's…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-19:649749:Comment:431312007-08-19T18:09:39.896ZConnie Weberhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/connieweber
Sylvia, you've said it: "It's not just flitting from one technology to the next, it's about models, pedagogy, and everything." And Linda, your comment: "...having the technology does not mean that it is being used well any more than giving someone a box of paints creates a masterpiece, " Yes, that's so true.<br />
Nancy, you said, "I just struggle with blogs where students only post and comment to each other (when they can say what they have to say f2f), with websites that are regurgitation of info…
Sylvia, you've said it: "It's not just flitting from one technology to the next, it's about models, pedagogy, and everything." And Linda, your comment: "...having the technology does not mean that it is being used well any more than giving someone a box of paints creates a masterpiece, " Yes, that's so true.<br />
Nancy, you said, "I just struggle with blogs where students only post and comment to each other (when they can say what they have to say f2f), with websites that are regurgitation of info already on the web, or make identical powerpoints with no point..."<br />
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Maybe one of the main sins for Tim to put on his list is meaninglessness. Random, scattered, meaninglessness. Empty use of technology, just like empty curriculum of any kind, only leads to disengagement, more removal, more compartmentalizing, less reflective and deep thinking.<br />
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The question then becomes how do we arrive at the core meanings, the pedagogy, the "everything else" and most important overriding goals? How do we get rid of the meaninglessness? The benefit of a negative list, of what not to do, is that we can figure out what we <i>should</i> be doing.<br />
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Maybe we should start (Tim--how about you?) a parallel list, of what <i>should</i> be done? (What's the opposite of "seven deadly sins"? "Virtues" has all the wrong connotations--anyone have a list title?) It's like Nancy says, what we need is a "rich, relevant curriculum." A central view of what's important. How about "purpose"? What are the elements of <b>purpose</b> in what we're doing?<br />
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(By the way, a few alarm bells are going off in my intuitive self: this phrase pops into mind: "A cynic is an idealist who has been hurt." Let's put double the energy into supporting each other through this "discovery of meaning in the new tools" phase. I know I need and value guidance, and turn eagerly to my colleagues on this network to shed light, ask questions, and formulate meaningful goals...) I am pretty much in agreement…tag:www.classroom20.com,2007-08-19:649749:Comment:431242007-08-19T17:23:59.974ZCyndi Danner-Kuhnhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/cyndidannerkuhn
I am pretty much in agreement with everything everyone has said, I think you are going to have more than seven in your list. I am looking forward to your article.<br />
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I am teaching Technology Integration classes to future teachers and do a great deal of staff development in school districts. Over & over I see schools buying lots of "stuff" and nobody really taking advantage of using it to its full potential. I also see districts doing a full advertised search for a head coach and then not…
I am pretty much in agreement with everything everyone has said, I think you are going to have more than seven in your list. I am looking forward to your article.<br />
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I am teaching Technology Integration classes to future teachers and do a great deal of staff development in school districts. Over & over I see schools buying lots of "stuff" and nobody really taking advantage of using it to its full potential. I also see districts doing a full advertised search for a head coach and then not hiring qualified folks for the technology coordinator or technology integration specialist position(s). They just move somebody into the position. How very sad, the students and teachers are the ones who pay the price. Kinda like that old say, cutting off your nose to spite your face!!!<br />
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I also see districts bid their technology contracts and not evaluate the entire package, just the price of the individual computer/laptop. Cheap is not always best!!! You get what you pay for 99% of the time.