Is Creative Commons legit? - Classroom 2.02024-03-29T12:38:43Zhttps://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/is-creative-commons-legit?commentId=649749%3AComment%3A389898&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI know this discussion has wo…tag:www.classroom20.com,2009-10-10:649749:Comment:3904312009-10-10T15:26:09.538ZChristy Tuckerhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/ChristyTucker
I know this discussion has wound down, but you asked about experts sharing information with K-12 students. Here's a specific example from this week: <a href="http://speedchange.blogspot.com/2009/10/spacefish-and-primary-crowdsource.html" target="_blank">SpaceFish and the Primary Crowdsource</a>.
I know this discussion has wound down, but you asked about experts sharing information with K-12 students. Here's a specific example from this week: <a href="http://speedchange.blogspot.com/2009/10/spacefish-and-primary-crowdsource.html" target="_blank">SpaceFish and the Primary Crowdsource</a>. <<If something has inde…tag:www.classroom20.com,2009-10-09:649749:Comment:3898982009-10-09T13:56:24.200ZKevhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/Kev
<<If something has indeed worked well for thirty years, why in the world would you want to change it to something that is unproven?>><br />
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Final comment before I walk away from this for good.<br />
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The world is not the same today as it was 30 years ago.<br />
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<<The battle is on against the most visable of teacher collaborations, the unions.>><br />
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My union has never once offered me any sort of collaboration other than a picnic and a chance to carry signs outside my district office.<br />
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<<If something has indeed worked well for thirty years, why in the world would you want to change it to something that is unproven?>><br />
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Final comment before I walk away from this for good.<br />
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The world is not the same today as it was 30 years ago.<br />
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<<The battle is on against the most visable of teacher collaborations, the unions.>><br />
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My union has never once offered me any sort of collaboration other than a picnic and a chance to carry signs outside my district office.<br />
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When I speak of the lack of collaboration among teachers I'm not speaking of a lack of camaraderie but a lack of true sharing and discussing of what works and what doesn't. I think this thread is indicative of what ends up happening in many so-called collaboration meetings.<br />
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And with that I will go on gladly remaining part of the problem. "Sorry, Christy, I was under…tag:www.classroom20.com,2009-10-09:649749:Comment:3897592009-10-09T01:36:08.827ZChristy Tuckerhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/ChristyTucker
"Sorry, Christy, I was under the impression that this Ning is primarily about K-12 and didn't realize I had to specify that in a discussion."<br />
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From the home page "Welcome to Classroom20.com, the social network for those interested in Web 2.0 and collaborative technologies in education." Education is more than just K-12, although much of the discussion here is focused on K-12.<br />
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"BTW, in response to the way the discussion has gone on this thread,..."<br />
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Out of curiosity, how did you expect the…
"Sorry, Christy, I was under the impression that this Ning is primarily about K-12 and didn't realize I had to specify that in a discussion."<br />
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From the home page "Welcome to Classroom20.com, the social network for those interested in Web 2.0 and collaborative technologies in education." Education is more than just K-12, although much of the discussion here is focused on K-12.<br />
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"BTW, in response to the way the discussion has gone on this thread,..."<br />
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Out of curiosity, how did you expect the discussion to go with the way you set the tone at the beginning? What was your goal with framing the discussion that way? Sorry, Christy, I was under t…tag:www.classroom20.com,2009-10-09:649749:Comment:3897362009-10-09T00:43:28.892ZAnne Pembertonhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/AnnePemberton
Sorry, Christy, I was under the impression that this Ning is primarily about K-12 and didn't realize I had to specify that in a discussion. College age students have access to experts in their field, depending on the school they choose to attend. It is the K-12 crowd who is making do with those who are considered less than expert in their field, and this is even more true at the elementary level and in discussing the sciences and social studies.<br />
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At present I am working on several courses as I…
Sorry, Christy, I was under the impression that this Ning is primarily about K-12 and didn't realize I had to specify that in a discussion. College age students have access to experts in their field, depending on the school they choose to attend. It is the K-12 crowd who is making do with those who are considered less than expert in their field, and this is even more true at the elementary level and in discussing the sciences and social studies.<br />
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At present I am working on several courses as I have time and interest in one or another. One is on the basic geographic features, and I'd like to include mention of the techtonic plates of the earth so that fifth graders who are learning about planets, oceans, and data, can understand it enough to understand why Europe and Asia are separate continents (or not).<br />
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Another course I'm working on is an introduction to civilization and after completing the introduction which compares the concepts we look at in civilizations with the modern examples of same, I plan to construct courses on the various civilizations showing how they exhibit those concepts. I want to include Norte Chico as the earliest American Civilization, but have run into numerable barriers. I wrote to the "expert in the field" in May and still have not received an answer. I've exhausted all that is posted on the web on the subject and still have concepts which I cannot fully address.<br />
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BTW, in response to the way the discussion has gone on this thread, I've started another that takes one of the points, whether technology is the better solution to a specific classroom situation. I am taking the devil's advocate position, and would welcome your input into why the technological solution would be an improvement over having students write a paper or report. Yes, you did not make clear t…tag:www.classroom20.com,2009-10-09:649749:Comment:3897322009-10-09T00:27:32.172ZChristy Tuckerhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/ChristyTucker
Yes, you did not make clear that you were only looking at experts going down to the K-12 level. I am a woman of many talents, but I'm afraid that telepathy isn't one of them. ;-)<br />
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MIT Open CourseWare is primarily for college age and adult students; these are MIT courses, made available online. If you're interested in the most relevant content for K-12 students, check out the <a href="http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/hs/home/home/index.htm" target="_blank">Highlights for High School</a>. That…
Yes, you did not make clear that you were only looking at experts going down to the K-12 level. I am a woman of many talents, but I'm afraid that telepathy isn't one of them. ;-)<br />
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MIT Open CourseWare is primarily for college age and adult students; these are MIT courses, made available online. If you're interested in the most relevant content for K-12 students, check out the <a href="http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/hs/home/home/index.htm" target="_blank">Highlights for High School</a>. That highlights the resources most relevant to high school students (mostly for AP science and math--it is MIT after all).<br />
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To find courses with audio or video lectures, the easiest way is to go to the "Audio/Video Lectures" in the left navigation. I see one history course with video: <a href="http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/History/21H-931Spring2004/CourseHome/index.htm" target="_blank">Seminar in Historical Methods</a>. Other courses, like <a href="http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/History/21H-001Fall-2007/CourseHome/index.htm" target="_blank">How to Stage a Revolution</a>, provide lecture notes and slides. Christy,
Where are the lectu…tag:www.classroom20.com,2009-10-09:649749:Comment:3897312009-10-09T00:12:44.360ZAnne Pembertonhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/AnnePemberton
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Where are the lectures. I looked a one of the courses in depth and saw no indication of any lectures in text format or presentation. The course consisted of the usual course documents, the list of readings, a calendar, description of the two papers and two in-class activities. The most useful part of that course on American History was the list of links to related resources. Perhaps I made a poor choice of course to look at, but I didn't see evidence of experts sharing their expertise…
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Where are the lectures. I looked a one of the courses in depth and saw no indication of any lectures in text format or presentation. The course consisted of the usual course documents, the list of readings, a calendar, description of the two papers and two in-class activities. The most useful part of that course on American History was the list of links to related resources. Perhaps I made a poor choice of course to look at, but I didn't see evidence of experts sharing their expertise to the K-12 crowd.<br />
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Perhaps I failed to make in clear that I want the expertise of experts to extend down to the high school and elementary crowd. Just to pull out one idea her…tag:www.classroom20.com,2009-10-08:649749:Comment:3897232009-10-08T23:56:14.371ZChristy Tuckerhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/ChristyTucker
Just to pull out one idea here, you said:<br />
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"Now, another significant advantage of the presentation over the lecture is that one extremely knowledgeable person can spread their expertise to many corners of the globe. The downside is that the extremely knowledgeable person wants to be paid big bucks to share that widely."<br />
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What about <a href="http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm" target="_blank">MIT Open CourseWare</a>? You don't pay a cent to access lectures and materials from these…
Just to pull out one idea here, you said:<br />
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"Now, another significant advantage of the presentation over the lecture is that one extremely knowledgeable person can spread their expertise to many corners of the globe. The downside is that the extremely knowledgeable person wants to be paid big bucks to share that widely."<br />
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What about <a href="http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm" target="_blank">MIT Open CourseWare</a>? You don't pay a cent to access lectures and materials from these great experts in the field. And this content is licensed under <a href="http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/terms/terms/index.htm#cc" target="_blank">Creative Commons</a> as a way to make it accessible without people having to pay for it.<br />
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The model of paying big bucks isn't the only option; Creative Commons and open curriculum/open content are another. Mike,
I find it hard to beli…tag:www.classroom20.com,2009-10-08:649749:Comment:3897172009-10-08T23:29:18.905ZAnne Pembertonhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/AnnePemberton
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I find it hard to believe that my colleagues who remain in the schools do not "know" what email, texting, twitter and other technology are. I suspect they are knowledgable, but have not been given a green light to use these resources in their classroom. Along with the green light, they also need to know how to use them FOR INSTRUCTIONAL PURPOSES. If those who are today's pioneers would sit down with those teachers and show them how to replace activities and projects the teachers are…
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I find it hard to believe that my colleagues who remain in the schools do not "know" what email, texting, twitter and other technology are. I suspect they are knowledgable, but have not been given a green light to use these resources in their classroom. Along with the green light, they also need to know how to use them FOR INSTRUCTIONAL PURPOSES. If those who are today's pioneers would sit down with those teachers and show them how to replace activities and projects the teachers are already using with a technology version of same, and then show a justification for the change, such as the fact that all students in that teacher's classroom have access to the technology.<br />
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Mike, my initial question had two purposes, one was to explore what is known about a site that was new to me, and seemed to be less than honest. The other was to bring up the need to treat all teachers with respect whether they are moving as fast on technology as you want, or not. I seriously doubt that there is any greater need for speed today than there was when I was at the top of the heap. Back then, if you kept a computer more than two years, it was so outdated it was declared a "boat anchor". Nevertheless, many, many teachers who had no technology at all, found that the "boat anchors" were better than nothing and made use of the older technologies until admins could be shown the value.<br />
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BTW, I see little value in blogs (they seem more like someone standing on a soapbox with or without something worthwhile to say). If you are saying that students should be writing blogs, my first question would be "how often are you going to clean off the server?". Wikis hold promise as a tool of collaboration, but as a resource for research, they are as problematic as the story of Sally and Tom to a 4th grader. As to google apps, I admit I know little about what they are, what they can do or how to use them. Several years ago, I used what was I think a "google app" to track a friend as he crossed the Pacific on a cruise. It was a crude tool, and tracking my friend required entering the lat and long coordinate every day. These had to be secured from the captain's area, and became a chore about half-way through the cruise.<br />
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What we need to do is not go out and adopt technology for its own sake, but be sure that all or most applications of technology provide an improvement in some way over older, tried and true methods. If you are going to replace a teacher's lecture with a presentation, be sure that it includes all the details the teacher would include in the lecture. What is the advantage of the presentation over the lecture? Well, first is the inclusion of illustrations (time consuming to find enough to well illustrate a presentation - I know I do it every day). Second is the fact that it can be used over and over by classes in many places. Disadvantage is that a student cannot raise their hand during the presentation/lecture and ask a question for clarification of a point. All such clarifying point need to be incorporated into the presentation or its follow-ups. Now, another significant advantage of the presentation over the lecture is that one extremely knowledgeable person can spread their expertise to many corners of the globe. The downside is that the extremely knowledgeable person wants to be paid big bucks to share that widely.<br />
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My efforts at being the devil's advocate may be less than perfect, but I would like to see more discussion in the areas I'm raising as I reply. Maybe some of you young pioneers can pick our the juicy and flavorful points here and put them into new discussions. Maybe now that my thinking is less emotional, I can do it myself. Thanks for the Nicole.tag:www.classroom20.com,2009-10-08:649749:Comment:3896942009-10-08T22:08:57.460ZMike O'Harahttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/MikeOHara
Thanks for the Nicole.
Thanks for the Nicole. Anne, I am not sure what any…tag:www.classroom20.com,2009-10-08:649749:Comment:3896852009-10-08T21:54:57.941ZJonathan Wyliehttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/JonathanWylie
Anne, I am not sure what any of the above has to do with your original question. Here, and in other threads, you are argumentative seemingly for the sake of it. You have been given several rational and straightforward explanations, but still you assume the worst. You berate the young for chastising the old with one hand, but do just the same and swipe the young with your other hand. A 'pioneer' like yourself should be able to rise above it, and not continue these pointless ramblings. Read the…
Anne, I am not sure what any of the above has to do with your original question. Here, and in other threads, you are argumentative seemingly for the sake of it. You have been given several rational and straightforward explanations, but still you assume the worst. You berate the young for chastising the old with one hand, but do just the same and swipe the young with your other hand. A 'pioneer' like yourself should be able to rise above it, and not continue these pointless ramblings. Read the explanations of Creative Commons as they were supplied and move on. Else, I recommend Steve closes this thread and any others you are intent on hijacking for your own agenda.