Topic 7: Chapter 22 and Miss Maudie's ideas. - Classroom 2.02024-03-29T00:24:02Zhttps://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/topic-7-chapter-22-and-miss-maudie-s-ideas?commentId=649749%3AComment%3A1146344&feed=yes&xn_auth=no I agree with when you sa…tag:www.classroom20.com,2017-05-08:649749:Comment:11468082017-05-08T04:22:36.534ZRainbow Dash 9Chttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/RainbowDash
<p> I agree with when you said that "Miss Maudie knew that Atticus would not be able to win the trial due to racism and the beliefs that the citizens of Maycomb had during this time". I agree because since this was at the time of the 60's there was a lot of racism and discrimination towards the black people and especially since this was in the deep south. But the fact that Atticus was able to defend a black man and have a jury last that long in a trial is eminently shocking. to further…</p>
<p> I agree with when you said that "Miss Maudie knew that Atticus would not be able to win the trial due to racism and the beliefs that the citizens of Maycomb had during this time". I agree because since this was at the time of the 60's there was a lot of racism and discrimination towards the black people and especially since this was in the deep south. But the fact that Atticus was able to defend a black man and have a jury last that long in a trial is eminently shocking. to further illuminate this idea Atticus says "They couldn't be fair if they tried. In our courts, when its a white mans word against a black mans, the white man always wins" (Lee 295). This shows that because of how prejudice the people of Maycomb are no matter what, guilty or not, a black man will always be seen lower than a white man. And all because of what--skin color.</p> I agree with you the Jem wasn…tag:www.classroom20.com,2017-05-08:649749:Comment:11467932017-05-08T02:39:46.650Zrighteous core 9Dhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/righteouscorealhaidar
<p>I agree with you the Jem wasn't just crying out of sympathy but out of rage that the people of Maycomb didn't see the truth. I also believe he was crying because he expected his father to win the case and he was so excited that people would see right from wrong but he got let down which made him furious. Even when scout would mention the trial to Jem he would get angry at her because he didn't want it all to come flooding back in. At on point scout mentions the court to Jem and he replies "I…</p>
<p>I agree with you the Jem wasn't just crying out of sympathy but out of rage that the people of Maycomb didn't see the truth. I also believe he was crying because he expected his father to win the case and he was so excited that people would see right from wrong but he got let down which made him furious. Even when scout would mention the trial to Jem he would get angry at her because he didn't want it all to come flooding back in. At on point scout mentions the court to Jem and he replies "I never wanta hear about that courthouse again, ever, ever you hear me?You hear me?Don't you ever say one word to me about it again, you hear? Now go on!" (Lee 247). Jem never wanted the courthouse to be brought up because it reminded him that neither Atticus or himself could do anything to save Tom.</p> I agree that Atticus is a rol…tag:www.classroom20.com,2017-05-08:649749:Comment:11467872017-05-08T02:22:08.765Zrighteous core 9Dhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/righteouscorealhaidar
<p>I agree that Atticus is a role model to his children and even the citizens of Maycomb. Although most of Maycomb disagreed with him on standing up for Tom Robinson he didn't seem to really care because what he truly cared about was doing the right thing. Atticus is the embodiment of integrity because he goes out of his way to achieve his goals and make things right and everyone in Maycomb knows it and respects him for it. It like Miss Maudie says in 'To Kill a Mockingbird" by Harper Lee "…</p>
<p>I agree that Atticus is a role model to his children and even the citizens of Maycomb. Although most of Maycomb disagreed with him on standing up for Tom Robinson he didn't seem to really care because what he truly cared about was doing the right thing. Atticus is the embodiment of integrity because he goes out of his way to achieve his goals and make things right and everyone in Maycomb knows it and respects him for it. It like Miss Maudie says in 'To Kill a Mockingbird" by Harper Lee " we're so rarely called on to be Christians, but when we are, we got men like Atticus to go for us"(Lee 215). this goes to show that the people of Maycomb depend on Atticus to do the good for them because they know he will no matter what. Atticus will go through the toughest circumstances if it means he'll get to what he wanted to achieve. </p> I agree with you moon because…tag:www.classroom20.com,2017-05-08:649749:Comment:11465582017-05-08T02:08:04.935Zrighteous core 9Dhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/righteouscorealhaidar
<p>I agree with you moon because Miss Maudie did give the children some hope even if she didn't intend too. She gave them reasons to believe that change will come even if it's not an immediate change. These small changes that Atticus made could lead to something much bigger. like you said, "small things still count and can grow to be something big". Although we didn't see the bigger change in the novel we saw the smaller change. some changes that we saw in "To Kill a Mockingbird" by Harper Lee…</p>
<p>I agree with you moon because Miss Maudie did give the children some hope even if she didn't intend too. She gave them reasons to believe that change will come even if it's not an immediate change. These small changes that Atticus made could lead to something much bigger. like you said, "small things still count and can grow to be something big". Although we didn't see the bigger change in the novel we saw the smaller change. some changes that we saw in "To Kill a Mockingbird" by Harper Lee "..... as I waited I thought, Atticus Finch won't win, he can't win, but he's the only man in these parts who can keep a jury out so long in a case like that" (Lee 216). this change was that the jury stayed long enough to actually consider Tom not guilty. If someone else besides Atticus was defending Tom Robinson then this small change might not have occurred and there wouldn't have been hope for a bigger change.</p> I agree with SmugOne Hamka on…tag:www.classroom20.com,2017-05-08:649749:Comment:11466222017-05-08T00:12:59.873ZRainbow Dash 9Chttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/RainbowDash
<p>I agree with SmugOne Hamka on Miss Maudie just trying to inform the kids on what had actually happened and that it wasn't Atticus's fault. Even Miss Maudie knew that Atticus was going to lose that case. To prove this she says "I waited and waited to see you all come down the sidewalk,and as i waited i thought, Atticus Finch wont win, he cant win" (Lee 289). This clearly shows that Miss Maudie had thought that Atticus wont win. The reason she thought this was because there hasn't been "any…</p>
<p>I agree with SmugOne Hamka on Miss Maudie just trying to inform the kids on what had actually happened and that it wasn't Atticus's fault. Even Miss Maudie knew that Atticus was going to lose that case. To prove this she says "I waited and waited to see you all come down the sidewalk,and as i waited i thought, Atticus Finch wont win, he cant win" (Lee 289). This clearly shows that Miss Maudie had thought that Atticus wont win. The reason she thought this was because there hasn't been "any jury decide in favor of a colored man over a white man" (Lee 279). This shows that most people of Maycomb are prejudice towards the black people and that change clearly needs to be done in Maycomb.</p> I disagree with your point in…tag:www.classroom20.com,2017-05-07:649749:Comment:11466172017-05-07T23:18:19.632ZSmugOne 9Dhttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/SmugOneHamka
I disagree with your point in saying that her words were said to try and give the kids hope. I think Miss Maudies intention was to tell the children that what happened with the case and the situation in Maycomb wasn't Atticus's fault. Her intention was to tell the children that the ways of Maycomb is slowly changing. it as of now their racist views will still be in place. I do agree with the point you made that says that Atticus can help the ways of Maycomb change with his work. Even if there…
I disagree with your point in saying that her words were said to try and give the kids hope. I think Miss Maudies intention was to tell the children that what happened with the case and the situation in Maycomb wasn't Atticus's fault. Her intention was to tell the children that the ways of Maycomb is slowly changing. it as of now their racist views will still be in place. I do agree with the point you made that says that Atticus can help the ways of Maycomb change with his work. Even if there is change in Maycomb, it is very slight change that must take years to really make an impact on the town. I think when Miss Maudie say…tag:www.classroom20.com,2017-05-07:649749:Comment:11466942017-05-07T18:21:00.449ZReader 9Ahttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/ReaderDakhlallah
<p> I think when Miss Maudie says, "<span>We're the safest folks in the world. We're so rarely called on to be Christians , but when we are, we've got men like Atticus to go for us" she means that while many men pretend to be Christians, it's people like Atticus, who rarely attends church, yes, but has high moral ideals and steps forward when he is needed most (Lee 288). Maudie was remarking the hypocrisy of the "foot-washing baptists" she mentioned so long ago and explaining to them what…</span></p>
<p> I think when Miss Maudie says, "<span>We're the safest folks in the world. We're so rarely called on to be Christians , but when we are, we've got men like Atticus to go for us" she means that while many men pretend to be Christians, it's people like Atticus, who rarely attends church, yes, but has high moral ideals and steps forward when he is needed most (Lee 288). Maudie was remarking the hypocrisy of the "foot-washing baptists" she mentioned so long ago and explaining to them what a <em>real</em> Christian would do. Miss Maudie succeeded, too because Jem bitterly replies, "<span>It's all right to talk like that--can't any Christian judges an' lawyers make up for heathen juries" (Lee 289). Jem recognized the mendacity of the jury who most claim to be devout and pious Christians, but when the time comes to show it, they scamper away from their responsibilities. Judge Taylor is also said to not go to Church every Sunday, even though his wife does. And Judge Taylor was one of the few who believed Atticus and the innocence of Tom and did something about it. I believe Harper Lee was attempting to bring up a very solid point: just because someone does all they can to seem like "real Christians," and follows all the rules--it does not make them truly faithful. The real faithful person does not have to scream to the world that they are God-fearing; they show it through their actions and through their words.</span></span></p> I agree with you righteo…tag:www.classroom20.com,2017-05-07:649749:Comment:11466002017-05-07T17:49:38.555ZRainbow Dash 9Chttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/RainbowDash
<p> I agree with you righteous core when you said "if someone else had taken the case they wouldn't have tried as hard as Atticus" i agree because the people in Maycomb wont care about the defendant especially because he is a black man. To prove this, Atticus says "In our courts, when its a white mans word against a black mans, the white man always wins. They're ugly, but those are the facts of life" (Lee 295). Atticus is basically saying that the white men hold the power in the world. This…</p>
<p> I agree with you righteous core when you said "if someone else had taken the case they wouldn't have tried as hard as Atticus" i agree because the people in Maycomb wont care about the defendant especially because he is a black man. To prove this, Atticus says "In our courts, when its a white mans word against a black mans, the white man always wins. They're ugly, but those are the facts of life" (Lee 295). Atticus is basically saying that the white men hold the power in the world. This shows that there is so much hate and discrimination towards the black people. Although Atticus knew he was going to lose this case he still took it because he is a man of integrity like you said before. The fact that Atticus is defending a Black man (Tom Robinson) that is already enough for the people to find him guilty-- just based on his skin color.</p> Miss Maudie does more th…tag:www.classroom20.com,2017-05-07:649749:Comment:11465222017-05-07T15:49:06.846ZIridescent 9Ahttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/IridescentMustafa
<p> Miss Maudie does more than think, she applies herself. She guides Jem and Scout towards the right path. She provides hope to children and gives them insightful advice. She informs the kids that, "Mockingbirds don't do one thing but make music for us to enjoy...it's a sin to kill a mockingbird" (Lee 119). Scout takes this to heart and carries this message to the end of the novel. She applies this when dealing with Bob Ewell's death. All that Miss Maudie tells Scout and Jem they took with…</p>
<p> Miss Maudie does more than think, she applies herself. She guides Jem and Scout towards the right path. She provides hope to children and gives them insightful advice. She informs the kids that, "Mockingbirds don't do one thing but make music for us to enjoy...it's a sin to kill a mockingbird" (Lee 119). Scout takes this to heart and carries this message to the end of the novel. She applies this when dealing with Bob Ewell's death. All that Miss Maudie tells Scout and Jem they took with them the rest of the way. In all, Miss Maudie is like a role model to Jem and <em>especially</em> Scout. </p> You said that Jew was cr…tag:www.classroom20.com,2017-05-07:649749:Comment:11466822017-05-07T15:37:36.897ZIridescent 9Ahttps://www.classroom20.com/profile/IridescentMustafa
<p> You said that Jew was crying because he was "sympathetic" (towards Tom Robinson and Atticus), but i don't think that's quite it. Jem wasn't crying only for Tom's death, but because of the sudden realization that their town is truly messed up at its core. Thus Jem refused to even speak of the courthouse again. No one saw this change in Jem's attitude as permanent but as a "phase." Scout describes this as, "When he was able to think about [the courthouse], Jem would be himself again" (Lee…</p>
<p> You said that Jew was crying because he was "sympathetic" (towards Tom Robinson and Atticus), but i don't think that's quite it. Jem wasn't crying only for Tom's death, but because of the sudden realization that their town is truly messed up at its core. Thus Jem refused to even speak of the courthouse again. No one saw this change in Jem's attitude as permanent but as a "phase." Scout describes this as, "When he was able to think about [the courthouse], Jem would be himself again" (Lee 331). The courthouse did more than cause Jem to act out at times, but allowed Jem to grow into a wiser person. We saw Jem go from doing childish things to understanding more complex subjects in the span of two years. And even though Jem doesn't like to think of the courthouse, it aided <em>tremendously</em> to his growth. </p>